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Barrett · Nov 04, 2010, 11:39 PM // 23:39

instead of just going , AWW I CANT JOIN BECAUSE I SUCK,
try talk ur way into it?
i never really did HA, but i started doing it now and im R2
i play ProtMonk (stick to 1role if possible) and try talk your way into group
i explain to groups that i can play the role fine even tho i am of a lower rank, that if they do not want to wait around for another monk i am setup and ready to go to save them time and ask if they can atleast give me a chance etc.

try something like that, rather than just looking at chat and going, Oh ...they asking for R6+ and im not even r3....

GrowSomeNuts!!!.

UnChosen · Nov 05, 2010, 03:56 AM // 03:56

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Originally Posted by Barrett

instead of just going , AWW I CANT JOIN BECAUSE I SUCK,
try talk ur way into it?
i never really did HA, but i started doing it now and im R2
i play ProtMonk (stick to 1role if possible) and try talk your way into group
i explain to groups that i can play the role fine even tho i am of a lower rank, that if they do not want to wait around for another monk i am setup and ready to go to save them time and ask if they can atleast give me a chance etc.

try something like that, rather than just looking at chat and going, Oh ...they asking for R6+ and im not even r3....

GrowSomeNuts!!!.

Way too much luck involved. Pretty much need to grow a 10 pound nuts of steel to do that and even then people still need to pray that they are on at the right hours and with the right group. Heck if a person is unlucky doing something like this would backfire on them.

Example: I pretended to be a low rank person once and tried to nicely talk my way into a group. The respond was something similar to "Get the F**k out, don't waste my time" on the local chat (as if I'm doing something horrible). Needless to say subsequent attempts with other groups was pretty much ignored. The funny thing is that once I turned on my title and flashed the damn emote around (and in their faces), I got like 6 random invites...including one from the same group leader who cussed me out (he didn't even remembered my name?! -.-). I just said "sorry, I don't want to waste your time" and joined another group

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Conclusion: Getting HA active again? Not happening anytime soon, if ever.

galactic · Nov 05, 2010, 03:59 AM // 03:59

make a few friends then move your ass to gvg

We Play ''Fragway'' Alot · Nov 05, 2010, 09:30 AM // 09:30

But you know even IF you could get a decent hero rank for example r9 are you gonna search for people with no rank or low rank? ofc its anoying i had the same problem when i started but you cant blame them. they just dont wanna lose anymore couz most unranked or low ranked people dont know what to do.

*lemming* · Nov 05, 2010, 11:55 AM // 11:55

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Originally Posted by Rushin Roulette

You might want to read the post yourself again, especially the bolded parts.

I don't think you understood what was going on as described.

As much as I'm not a fan of Fierce's attitude (and I'm sure that you're not either), he's right. If they're trying to join by being ingratiating, they really shouldn't have any expectations.

As a side note, this always happens in active GvG guilds that allow leechers - some of them start thinking that they're entitled to join groups. It's incredibly annoying, especially since they always explain that they're just trying to get an invite to "learn" and are usually informed that they're not going to be getting any playtime.

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Originally Posted by Rushin Roulette

I take it you have never applied for a job or you would know what your talking about. Its called supply and demand. If there are more recruits than jobs, then the companies can pick and choose from the applicants and can therefore dictate the conditions of employment. If however there are more positions than applicants, then the applicant can dictate the conditions and choose which position he wants to fill, its as easy as that.

My analogy was a bit incorrect. Joining a group is a form of commitment, so being in multiple groups would be like accepting multiple job offers with the intention of only actually showing up to one job.

Enough about the analogy, though. You're just asking for the power to be a douche to be shifted from the group leader to the group member.

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Originally Posted by Rushin Roulette

Take the GvG crowd for example. I find it great that they are actively working on fixing a problem of players being scared off from all forms of PvP because of what even they call "Rank descrimination in the cesspit of GW".

The resources are all there for PvEers to dabble in GvG - avenues of communication with experienced players, a gathering place for groups and socialization, guides and commentary to further their understanding of the game. All that it takes to get started is a little initiative.

And yet, how many players have actually taken advantage of what's being offered to them? Less than a handful.

Why do you expect help in the form of handouts when it's not even going to be utilized?

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Originally Posted by Rushin Roulette

If you read back... I didnt make the suggestion in the first place, but I do agree it would make grouping easier for the underdogs and a bit more honest for everyone. The suggestion was far from being optimal, but better than 2 players in an otherwise empty district looking for r9+ and r10+ each.

No, it's not better.

In the long run, the only thing that can revitalize pugging is a critical mass of players, which just isn't going to happen.

Crimson Robes · Nov 05, 2010, 12:04 PM // 12:04

I cant help but thinking...

If everyone that has been bitching "i cant HA because of rank" would just team up they would vastly outnumber the regular HA players, facing each other in UW etc plenty, and get rank that way.

Also, ive only been doing HA for little over half a year, started at ZERO, am as good as r8 now. Just form your own teams, it isnt that hard.... Although i will agree to the lack of opponents, but seeing how even AB is empty during euro hours sometimes ive come to the conclusion noone is playing PvP anymore since HoM calc

chadS · Nov 05, 2010, 03:38 PM // 15:38

This game should just die. Then they can completely focus on gw2.

Gw1 will continue to be stagnant. No matter what new thing they do, it will not help. Only thing that will remotely do to help the pvp side would be to make a competely new arena that doesn't have the characteristics of the ones it currently has. But nothing like that will happen.

fowlero · Nov 05, 2010, 04:46 PM // 16:46

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Originally Posted by Crimson Robes

I cant help but thinking...

If everyone that has been bitching "i cant HA because of rank" would just team up they would vastly outnumber the regular HA players, facing each other in UW etc plenty, and get rank that way.

Also, ive only been doing HA for little over half a year, started at ZERO, am as good as r8 now. Just form your own teams, it isnt that hard.... Although i will agree to the lack of opponents, but seeing how even AB is empty during euro hours sometimes ive come to the conclusion noone is playing PvP anymore since HoM calc

Because some people expect everything to be fed to them on a silver platter.

Doing what you suggest is the best way to get into PvP, whether it be HA or GvG. People need to get around the idea of PuG's being the only way, low rank HA PuG's are shit, they are arguably the worst gaming experience in GW. By my way of counting there are at least 8 players here complaining about their inability to get into groups.

Make a guild! Myself and nearly every player i know learnt with 7 other complete noobs and improved together. It saves shittalk between your team, the waiting to form a pug only to have it disband after 1st game. You grow as a team as well as individually, and most importantly have a shit tonne of fun.

It's sad to say, but there just won't be teaching guilds again. The community is just too small, and the attitudes of some of those coming across into PvP that are deluded into thinking rank is the only thing stopping them dominating the scene is incredibly offputting to anyone who tries to help.

Missing HB · Nov 07, 2010, 01:59 PM // 13:59

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Originally Posted by fowlero

Make a guild! Myself and nearly every player i know learnt with 7 other complete noobs and improved together. It saves shittalk between your team, the waiting to form a pug only to have it disband after 1st game. You grow as a team as well as individually, and most importantly have a shit tonne of fun.

Still , the problem is to expect to have an opponent. HA is at a point now where , on dead hours i mentionned , people don't even try to form because they know they will just lose 1v1 hall vs usual farming team( or making them get full run).

hitsuji182 · Nov 07, 2010, 02:52 PM // 14:52

HA is dead, because ANet doesn't care. Besides elitism and rank descrimination (lol arguments), meta is degenerated to death and I'm not suprised when I see more and more guilds quit. Back when general meta was 3 SW sins, HA was much more alive. There were always pugs at any hour and it was possible to do a full run. It was just extremally pug-friendly meta. Now 2 sin/2 mes build seems to be new pug-friendly build, but when it faces BBway, there is no chance. This build is broken as RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO and one of the worst in history of HA.

So I'd agree with many of you that BBway pretty much destroyed this format. Is that really hard to nerf one RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing build, ANet?

Shriketalon · Nov 07, 2010, 03:43 PM // 15:43

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Originally Posted by lemming

And yet, how many players have actually taken advantage of what's being offered to them? Less than a handful.

Well, to turn that around, why should they?

There is very little incentive to go out and try to "save" HA, and I'm not talking strictly about rewards. On average, I could expect to spend an hour or two talking with disgruntled and belligerent players in an attempt to join a group. Of course, I could leave my guild to go find one specifically oriented towards a single dying format, but I'm just not willing to do that when a decent PvE guild has so much more going on. Within the game itself, I can enjoy a stagnant metagame of predictable play, during which time my group will either fold like a wet rag and dissolve with swearing and cursing, in which case I just wasted an hour or two, or they will achieve victory, at which point I will gain one point in a title track that goes up to one hundred thousand. And all the while, I can enjoy the lovely company of the vocal PvP community, hearing about all their frustrations, dislikes, and irritations.

Quite frankly, I have better things to do.

I know that's a little harsh, but the simple fact is, I play games to have fun. Hero's Ascent is not fun. It's not any individual element, but the combined experience of a belligerent community, a complete lack of experience-appropriate challenges, a boring and stagnant metagame, no practical rewards, and a hostile environment for newcomers adds up to a bad experience. Sure, I could take the time and effort to finally experience it in all its frustrations, but I could also go do something more interesting and enjoyable. What's being offered to new players can't be analyzed in a vacuum, it has to be compared to other offers being placed for everyone's time. And if there are better things to do and better people to play with, there's no reason to go save Hero's Ascent.

Reverend Dr · Nov 07, 2010, 06:21 PM // 18:21

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Originally Posted by Shriketalon

Well, to turn that around, why should they

What is confusing is that there is help being offered, yet people seem to keep ignoring it and instead branching out on their own to try HA. This is why we have several people that have come in here and said "Went to ID1 to pug..." People apparently still want to try HA.

What is so confusing is that rather than try something new that is promised to have better results, they instead retry the old method that has never and will never work.

But yes, some people don't enjoy PvP (for that matter, some don't enjoy PvE). However if you know that you don't enjoy PvP and you know that you aren't going to be trying it again, why are you in this thread?

Shriketalon · Nov 07, 2010, 07:10 PM // 19:10

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Originally Posted by Reverend Dr

However if you know that you don't enjoy PvP and you know that you aren't going to be trying it again, why are you in this thread?

Because I have way too much time on my hands.

*lemming* · Nov 07, 2010, 09:41 PM // 21:41

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Originally Posted by Shriketalon

Well, to turn that around, why should they?

Because that's what the PvE community was clamoring for.

Missing HB · Nov 08, 2010, 08:06 AM // 08:06

So yes , just logged in HA , we're exactly 2 players non afk , rest are mctiggers. Can they do something or ...?

diabiosx · Nov 08, 2010, 06:45 PM // 18:45

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Originally Posted by Missing HB

So yes , just logged in HA , we're exactly 2 players non afk , rest are mctiggers. Can they do something or ...?

People have lives and cant play 24/7. Americans are sleeping at that time, euros are going to work/school

Missing HB · Nov 09, 2010, 08:33 AM // 08:33

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Originally Posted by diabiosx

People have lives and cant play 24/7. Americans are sleeping at that time, euros are going to work/school

The same can apply for people who cannot play from 9pm till 12pm GMT.
What i want to mean is that any player should be still able to at least do some form of PvP at any hour. Before , you had more players in HA , you could still do RA or do some HB fights ( tournaments at these dead hours). Now you can ONLY do crappy RA ...., and that skill update coming soon will clearly not change anything

Devil Luca · Nov 09, 2010, 11:27 AM // 11:27

i dont play a lot in ha but when i want to play i found easy team and opponents so i dont understand your problem

My New Name · Nov 09, 2010, 12:10 PM // 12:10

or you can cut the LF r8+ BS and there will be A LOT of people playing?

hitsuji182 · Nov 09, 2010, 01:55 PM // 13:55

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Originally Posted by My New Name

or you can cut the LF r8+ BS and there will be A LOT of people playing?

Farming UW isn't fun at all.

Ranks are made for some reason. Get it over. If you don't have a decent rank, you are not going to pug with a decent group. Instead of trying get your fame with pug, create your own guild, grab your friends and start playing... And I know what I'm saying, I followed the same path. At the begening we were all r0 PvE scrubs, now we are r9/11 guild. HA isn't easy to access, you have to put your own efford to achive something.